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An October 2006 New York Times/ CBS News poll finds that 53% of Americans think the administration is "hiding something" about 9/11.

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The poll also found that only 16% entirely believe the government's story, and 28% believe that the government is "mostly lying".

This is about the same as the results from the same poll in 2002 and also from 2004 (page 28).

Originally posted to polls on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 11:55 AM PDT.

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  •  FAQ (6+ / 0-)

    Diaries should be substantive. A good guideline is that if you don't have at least three solid paragraphs to write about your subject, you should probably post a comment in an open thread, or in a recent diary or front-page post that covers a topic relevant to what you wish to write about.

    We will not distinguish between sexual predators and those who harbor them.

    by clonecone on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:06:01 PM PDT

  •  And also (3+ / 0-)
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    clonecone, Adam B, Mia Dolan

    DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:

    refer to claims that American, British, Israeli, or any government assisted in the attacks

    refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse

    Authoring or recommending these diaries may result in banning from Daily Kos.

    -8.38, -7.38 'I can't wait to eat that monkey!' - Abraham Simpson

    by TruthOfAngels on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:09:38 PM PDT

    •  Then it's good this diary doesn't include these (12+ / 0-)

      Unless my eyes deceive me, this diary discusses a recent poll about what Americans believe.

      And for the record, "hiding something" is not the same as "perpetrating" or "assisting".

    •  This diary makes no such claims. (8+ / 0-)

      It reports on a poll on what the American people believe.

      Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

      Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

      Is reporting such poll results now also forbidden?

      Note that, according to the poll, in fact 81 percent of American adults think the government is hiding something about 9/11, since the 28 per cent who believe the government is lying should be added to the 53 percent who think that it is hiding something.

      Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

      by lysias on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:18:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Where is that list of prohibited topics on this (0+ / 0-)

      site, by the way?  I'd like to know what I'm not supposed to post here.

      Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

      by lysias on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:33:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  DailyKos Endorses Big Brother? (3+ / 0-)
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      lysias, StupidAsshole, duha

      Since when does DailyKos endorse censorship? Stating that the administrators and owners of the site, if not the majority of the members, accept that Al Qaeda is responsible for the events on 9/11 is one thing.

      Denying anyone else's argument because "we must watch what we say" is censorship, and worse. Let those who would write questionable diaries be aware that unbridled speculation, unsupported attacks and total lack of logic will not stand up to scrutiny.

      The diary in question is a waste of space because no additional information, perspective or argument is provided. But the poll is legitimate, and the behaviour of this commenter worse than having five conspiracy theories on the front-page---because it seeks to deny the very purpose for which Kos started it all: sharing information, building networks and providing a forum.

      If you want groupthink, please head over to LGF, Freepers or RedState.

      -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

      by thingamabob on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:39:12 PM PDT

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      •  FAQ (4+ / 0-)

        But, what about Freedom of Speech?

        Doesn't the First Amendment give me the right to talk about whatever I want here?

        No. Daily Kos is owned by kos. The servers are his. He pays the bandwidth charges. He makes the rules; we are here as his guests. If he decides tomorrow that anyone not posting in iambic pentameter will be banned, your options are either to brush up on your poetry skills or find/start another forum.

        We will not distinguish between sexual predators and those who harbor them.

        by clonecone on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:47:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm not sure I see your point. Of course it's Kos' site, and where conspiracy theory diaries violate the spirit of the site, they should expect appropriate action. As even you have pointed out, that is not the case here.

          I am not arguing that Kos can't have whatever criteria he likes, merely that I find the zealous flamers just as bad as the conspiracy theorists. I supported your points about diary length, but I don't support people piling on for the fun of it, and in so doing employing the rhetoric of Bush and Ashcroft.

          -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

          by thingamabob on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:59:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  4 out of 5 diarists (2+ / 1-)
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    cookiebear, Mia Dolan
    Hidden by:
    duha

    Think you should post your CT drivel elsewhere.

    In case of rapture, this keyboard will be armed.

    by tvb on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:17:46 PM PDT

  •  This would definitely (5+ / 0-)

    be more appropriate in an Open Thread.

    However I'm not sure it deserves the tag "Troll diary". It doesn't "refer to claims that American, British, Israeli, or any government assisted in the attacks", nor does it "refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse".

    We saw just recently that the Bush administration has hidden information relating to 9/11 from the public in the past (I'm refering specifically to the July 10th meeting of Tenet and Rice), so I think these poll results are worth discussing.

  •  To quote South Park (2+ / 0-)
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    TheBlaz, blueoasis

    "at least a quarter of American people is retarded."

    The poll is proof.

    •  Actually, only 16% of the public (2+ / 0-)
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      bayside, bruce1337

      thinks the government is telling the truth about 9/11, according to the poll.  That's considerably less than 25%.

      Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

      by lysias on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:25:06 PM PDT

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      •  I was referring to the 28% (1+ / 0-)
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        Mia Dolan

        of people who think that the government is part of some conspiracy and is hiding something.

        •  Apparently, you can fool some of the people (1+ / 0-)
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          bruce1337

          All of the time.

          -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

          by thingamabob on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:42:50 PM PDT

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        •  You've misread the poll. (3+ / 0-)
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          28% think the government is lying.  An additional 53% think the government is at least hiding something.  Add them together, and in total 81% think the government is hiding something.

          Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

          by lysias on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:46:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Well than South Park underestimated (1+ / 0-)
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            Mia Dolan

            the percentage of retarded people in the US

            •  I'm not sure I understand... (1+ / 0-)
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              lysias

              Are you suggesting you are part of the retarded group who don't believe the government is hiding anything?

              Because it's prima facie true that the government is hiding something, as evidenced by their repeated efforts to "classify" (hide) parts of the story.

              This is not the same as believing that the government conspired to either LHOP or MHOP. But the notion that there is nothing the government is hiding is clearly not just illogical but delusional.

              -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

              by thingamabob on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 01:03:37 PM PDT

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              •  Well, then I suppose the question was inartfully (4+ / 0-)
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                phrased.

                Sure the government is hiding some facts that are classified.  But the question is phrased in such a way as to suggest that the government is not telling the truth about 9/11.

                In other words try this hypo.  Suppose a crime (murder) occured on the streets of NYC.  The police put out a statement that a woman between 30-40 years of age, white, blond, and tall was found dead on Fifth Avenue and 60th Street.  And that the suspect is a male 50-60 years age short, stocky and bald.  If these are the facts of the case then the statement is all true.  The police may not release certain details (e.g., that the woman may have had her finger chopped off) because they may want to keep some evidence out of the papers to rule out faulty leads or confessions.  So they are "hiding something."  But that does not mean that they are not telling the truth.  To the extent that people believe that the government is not releasing all of the information, well, duh.  But to the extent that the people believe that the government is lying or covering up, they are retarded.

                •  Halfway there (1+ / 0-)
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                  lysias

                  That still doesn't quite follow. Logically, there is plenty for the government to hide, even dissemble, about. Some of this maybe covert activities which are expected, if not warranted, but which must remain covert. Some is perhaps a genuine lack of consensus as to what the facts are, some are facts which serve no function other than to prejudice our feelings about government.

                  And some, may just be things kept hidden because the politicians (not the bureaucrats) have political reasons for wanting to cover up, not necessarily complicity, but the depth of their ignorance, or incompetence, or insensitivity, or merely lack of application. And all of these, from top to bottom, mean that the government, or at least one part of it, is not "telling the truth". At least, not the whole truth.

                  So the poll should show close to 100% of Americans believing this, since anyone who has lived at least 25 years and had opportunity to witness other government behaviour can surmise that the government often tells a story which is not "the whole truth".

                  Nevertheless, none of this means the government could have done much to prevent 9/11, or had an interest in seeing it occur. However, it is indisputable that certain members of PNAC did consider how "favourable" the political environment would be for their brand of xenophobic imperialism, should something like "another Pearl Harbor" occur. That it did doesn't make them guilty of helping it along.

                  But that they did not bring it about can't erase the fact that they openly mused about its potential advantages.

                  And, this is documented.

                  -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

                  by thingamabob on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 01:39:11 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Oddly enough (3+ / 0-)
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    ek hornbeck, Mia Dolan, TruthOfAngels

    100% of TheBlaz's polled believe this diarist to be a troll.

    These findings directly support the last poll taken when these stupid fucking CT diaries popped up.

    Further, 53% of TheBlaz's have requested that the diarist shut his fucking mouth, while 27% have requested that the diarist withdraw his cranium from his rectum and 17% have declared full and unabashed support for Prop 124, more widely known as "THE DIARIST SHOULD GO FUCK HIMSELF."

    A mere 3% of TheBlaz's expressed support for the diarist's right to express such vapid idiocy, but a follow-up poll revealed traces of rum, vodka, and 6 identifiable different varieties of schnapps in TheBlaz's system. They have since withdrawn their support, and drifted into one of the other three categories.

    More on these exciting polls when monkeys fly out of my ass (18% chance on Thursday).

    We're oft to blame in this--tis too much proved--that with devotion's visage and pious action we do sugar o'er the devil himself.

    by TheBlaz on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:25:45 PM PDT

  •  Also (2+ / 0-)
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    Mia Dolan, JeremyA

    The diarist has stated in this diary:

    Uh . . . you can't have it both ways. The reason democrats and republicans say that 9/11 was an inside job was because

    ... drumroll, please ...

    IT WAS!

    Which seems to me to be pretty strong evidence that the diarist is merely trying to imply the same thing (in a backdoor fashion, as Mia Dolan says) in this diary.

    -8.38, -7.38 'I can't wait to eat that monkey!' - Abraham Simpson

    by TruthOfAngels on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 12:27:50 PM PDT

  •  The poll is being (3+ / 0-)

    covered by Raw Story and Buzzflash, both reputable progressive sites.

  •  Responses here are precisely............ (2+ / 0-)
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    yoduuuh do or do not, bruce1337

    .........why I'd be amazed if the Democrats retain the House or Senate. The abject cowardice of this party is appalling.

    The very foundation of Bush/Cheney's constitutional dismantling is built on a pack of lies, yet Dems will scream of the peripheral issues manifested from those lies but not attack the basis of those lies itself. Fear of being called "tin-foil" hatters.

    The Repubs had no such qualms when they attacked Clinton for OKC, or Mena, or Watergate, or...... ad nauseum...................

    Jesus Christ, our government now has the power to pull you off the street, torture you, detain you indefinitely, no trial, no habeus corpus and summarily execute you in a kangaroo court and your all worried about being called names ? !!!!!!!!!!!

    I wasn't aware that the 16% who believe government spin regarding 9/11 all posted at Kos.
    Go ahead and vote for your Democratic saviors and if they actually win, {by some miracle they aren't Diebolded} watch them do exactly NOTHING about civil liberties.

    My God, they've stolen away your elections, your right to vote, and you're worried about being called names ?!!!!!!!!

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